Chicks Unhitched: Why You Should Consider Leaving Home to Heal from Divorce

Divorce is Tough–But you Are Tougher!

Chicks Unhitched

A year ago almost to the day, I visited a place that I consider one of the most physically beautiful, cloistered sanctuaries in the country, located one-hour outside Asheville North Carolina, called Lakeview at Fontana.  This year, again I traveled to this North Carolina retreat center, for a program called Chicks Unhitched.  However, this year I came for an entirely different reason.  My initial trek from Dallas to the Smoky Mountains last year was to explore options to help my divorce clients to find retreat centers where they can heal from the upheaval of a broken marriage.  This time, my sole mission for taking a week off of my busy, divorce litigation schedule was to heal—from my own divorce, freshly five months finalized.

As soon as Tetia McMichael, friend and founder of Chicks Unhitched, heard of my divorce, she invited me, arms wide-open, to come to Lakeview at Fontana.  She gently nudged me with care-packages and encouraging emails to try it out as a consumer this time, offering me a unique opportunity to find peace and a pathway to recovery. And I couldn’t get there fast enough.

Healing and Fear

Healing happens gradually. There is no magic formula, no spell or wand that can wipe away our sorrow or regret.  But it helps to have a team of supportive and strong women, gorgeous scenery and focus.  One of the life coaches from Chicks Unhitched shared with us that, “fear is the greatest obstacle to joy.” When the bottom falls out of our relationships, the sense of fear is overwhelming and often debilitating– joy seems like distant memory.  Healing seems impossible with this inherent fear.

Welcome to Your Journey

The six ladies who joined me during my journey at Chicks Unhitched shared their common fears:   “Am I a quitter? What could I have done to have salvaged this? Am I lovable? What if I never find love again? What if I run out of money after this is all over?” Fear is an insidious and strong emotion and an enemy to healing.

Every day we faced our fears at Chicks Unhitched.  Just getting there, on day one, literally was an obstacle for some.  Traveling by trains, planes and automobiles, some from as far as Canada, these ladies left busy career calendars, children and the hustle and bustle of daily life to focus on themselves.  They arrived to Lakeview at Fontana for this chance to meet new friends and to swap tales of woe and triumph.  It’s not easy to tell strangers the intimate details of just how bad it got before you called it quits or why your husband/boyfriend left you for an upgrade.

These women described in heart-breaking detail how their relationships deteriorated to the point where they had to file for divorce or leave.  These brave women candidly shared their narratives:  the gut-punch of decade-long affairs, the mid-life crisis wife trade-ins, partners who suffered grave addiction and mental illness, and men who bailed at the mention of one of the ladies being diagnosed with MS. There is no one-upmanship in these conversations, just empathy.  We all got here somehow, and we all had one thing in common: we were ready to move on.

I met my six new “insta-friends” on Sunday evening when I arrived, and continued to chatter with them as if I’d known them since elementary school until I departed the following Friday.  During that week, we cried, shared stories, did yoga, white-water rafted, rode horses through the Smoky Mountains and had a champagne shopping spree together. However, the most important part of this journey was not the zip lining, ropes course, or even the amazing nightly organic meals—it was just being there.  We were in a safe place, feeling nurtured and loved, and so the healing part was easy.  Nightly, we were in our pajamas outside on the patio, recapping the day and fantasizing about how brilliant our new lives were going to be when we returned home.  I felt like I was 13 years-old planning out how it was going to be “when I grew up.”

This above beautiful breakfast buffet awaited us daily- nurturing good mornings.

The Ropes Course: Facing Our Fears

The most significant day of the retreat occurred on day two.  On the second day, we braved a ropes course that challenged even the most athletic of the bunch.  (Now I know why day three is designated spa/shopping day).  Our Iron Woman athlete, Amanda, who literally is a serial marathoner and self-assigned fearless leader, coached us through the ropes course.

As we whined, cursed and grunted our way through rope webs, swinging logs, free-form obstacles and gravity-defying feats four stories high in the air, this team of women quickly became a resounding unit of “yes you can!”  There were a few challenges that made me feel like an ill-prepared contestant on American Ninja Warrior or Wipeout.  Although I was not climbing the formidable K-2, many times, when I literally almost lost my footing on the ropes, or was hanging upside down without a plan to right myself, I felt like turning back.  I wanted to press the “easy” button.  But just as in life, there was no easy way down.

Ann, our consummate optimist and full-belly laugher, told me that the ropes course defined her experience.  Ann described that the ropes course, “was a game changer for me and so many women.”  She explained that, “my life experiences and the voices in our heads (as women), that told me ‘you can’t do this,’ disappeared into a faint whisper, and with the support of our peers, we all conquered every obstacle. It’s like a metaphor for the obstacles that keep us from moving on in our lives.”

Barbara, our demure, world-traveled artist, told me: “The moment that defined my week was when I let go of the rope on one platform, and crossed the threshold to a next challenge.”

Graduating from Fear and Learning to Take Care of YOU

In order to walk through the fear, I explain to my divorce clients how they must start to heal. I often refer to the oxygen mask metaphor, and Chicks Unhitched reinforces it from the moment you arrive.  Ladies, the oxygen mask must go on your mouth after a sudden change in cabin pressure.  If you can’t help yourself, you cannot move on and function in this world.  In the healing process, when breathing is even harder to do, the oxygen mask must go on your face first.  As moms, mothers, girlfriends and nurturers, we are constantly putting our needs aside to attend to others.   However, the fallout can be catastrophic.  If you can’t breathe, neither can your children, friends or partners.

So, when that plane, (insert marriage or relationship here) goes down with a vengeance –a sudden change in cabin pressure, please put that mask on your mouth first.  Chicks Unhitched taught and reinforced this concept from the moment through our morning French Press coffee, yoga, massages, pep talks and life coaching.  We had dieticians, aestheticians, yogis and guides to educate us how to start putting ourselves first: through diet and exercise, goal-setting, and just literally prioritizing our needs day by day.  By the end of the retreat, we all felt like we were breathing 100% oxygen.   Our masks were on.

Who should attend Chicks Unhitched?

Amanda, aka “Iron Woman,” whom I referenced earlier, identified who may be a good candidate to attend Chicks Unhitched.  She delineated that this is not just for “the newly divorced, but also for those still struggling or trying to build or rebuild their own life at any time after the end of a relationship.  Whether it ended 6 months or 6 years ago, there’s still an enormous amount of value in taking time to look at your life and to continue moving forward to hopefully make it match the vision you have for yourself.”

Amanda also provided insight on our collective mission and how it worked to create a new vision after leaving.  Amanda explained, “We were all there to try to forge change in our lives and as the days passed, our walls continued to crumble, allowing us to be wholly and completely ourselves, with no judgement.  These women, despite our obvious differences, have become invaluable to me in my journey.”

Another friend, Ann, returned for a second trip to Chicks Unhitched– not because of a recent breakup or divorce, but to remind herself why she’s worth it.  Ann, who has a job that entails nurturing and educating others, with her infectious laugh and great attitude, explained that sometimes she failed to nurture herself.  She learned at this retreat that you must, “nurture yourself as much as you nurture others. If life, past relationships or your internal voices tell you that you can’t, prove them wrong.”

Jessica, an unassuming, spiritual, mother-of-three young children, said that Chicks Unhitched taught her one that she was capable of a great transformation.   Jessica promised, “only expect not to be the same person when you get home.”  Jessica acknowledged that while, “I’m sure that you can recharge going on a weekend trip wherever with a friend, this structured program- with its provoking life coaching sessions and physical challenges, also gave me an inherent connection with other women which is unparalleled with any other divorce retreat center that I researched.”  Jessica emphasized the clarity she received from this experience was a major gift.  She saw that there is now, “an end to the fog I’d been living through (post- divorce).”  Connection and challenge lifted Jessica out of a fog, she told me, emphasizing her new-found clarity after the retreat.

As a participant in this week-long transformation of Chicks Unhitched, I can tell you that this is no adult sleep away camp where you gather pen pals and archery skills.  As I “went to the mountain” at Lakeview at Fontana, to discern my new post-divorce path, I learned some valuable lessons, which are forever embedded in my thinking:

  1. We are stronger than we think we are;
  2. Female connection is universal and sacred;
  3. Physical challenges can change the way our brain works;
  4. You have to want to change something badly enough before you start to change it;
  5. There are no magic tricks to heal and process your fear and grief.

I am humbled and inspired by the six women that I met.  My gratitude for this experience is overwhelming and, and I hope that the words of these wise and lovely women guide you to find change in your life.   While it may seem an expensive investment of time and money to travel across the United States for clarity and strength, you are worth it and will surely find a new vision through this journey.

Rethinking Passwords: the Ashley Madison Hack

On August 18, 2015, a group calling itself the Impact Team busted into 33 of the 36 million email addresses from users of   This lewd and lascivious site designed for married people to meet other married people online and engage in a previously anonymous, adulterous sexcapades, (i.e. affairs), was hacked.  The threat was to release all 36 million users unless its partner sites, “Cougar Life” and “Established Men” were shut down.  And now, as you sit here today, the average American with an internet connection can see if their dear husbands/wives were part of this data dump.

Angela Moscaritolo, writer for PC Mag, unveiled a simple way to find whether your special honey has an Ashley Madison account.  A programmer with the Twitter handle @hilare_belloc created a tool that lets you quickly check if a particular email is on the list. Simply head over to, enter the email address you want to check, and press the Search button. That covers the first 33 million addresses.

Would you like to know why it was so easy for hackers to get into the email accounts to reveal these philanderers?

Approximately 24 million of the roughly 36 million accounts leaked online had verified email addresses. Although Ashley Madison’s ethical underpinnings and business operations were questioned, the firm allegedly used “robust and respected encryption for its user passwords,”  as Natasha Lomas, form TechCrunch, reported in her article, “Ashley Madison Hack Latest Reminder that Stupid Passwords are Stupid.”

However, one of my favorite sayings is, “you can’t fix stupid.”  This applies in a major aspect of the Ashley Madison hack.

Even high security bcrypt-hashed passwords can be discovered if the user chooses a stupid, obvious password, like for example, the top one: “123456” followed only by “password” as number two choice, and “12345” as number three password choice.  According to Nastasha Lomas, “Avast security firm has been able to crack 25,393 hashes-out of which it says there were only 1,0664 unique passwords.”

The top ranked Ashley Madison passwords are slightly hilarious as an outsider, and beg the question, whether it was nerves, sex drive, or pure stupidity that generated the following list of ridiculously obvious top passwords.  Ms. Lomas, in her TechCrunch article, revealed the top 20, and I’d like to share them with you for your edification regarding password privacy and for your entertainment post Labor Day, after a long weekend.  The top 20 passwords are:

  1. 123456
  2. password
  3. 12345
  4. 12345678
  5. qwerty (this is the top row of letters on a keyboard in typed in order)
  6. pussy
  7. secret (as in “secret password?”
  8. dragon
  9. welcome (to identity theft…)
  10. ginger
  11. sparky (the first adjective used on the list)
  12. helpme (clearly)
  13. blowjob (I was surprised this one ranked so low on the totem pole)
  14. nicole (why not Ashley?)
  15. justin
  16. camaro (average car of the average user?)
  17. johnson (does this indicate a British contingency?)
  18. yamaha (no clue- motorcycle or piano do you think?)
  19. midnight (when the cheating occurred)
  20. chris

Some believe that downloading the Ashley Madison database is a huge no-no.  On August 22, 2015, USA Today’s writer Elizabeth Weise highly cautions against downloading the Ashley Madison database because, “no matter how curious you are, there are two reasons not to download the Ashley Madison database of would-be cheaters: It’s potentially dangerous and it’s stolen property.”

However, as a divorce attorney, and private citizen who is not suspicious of a cheating spouse, I find the earlier mentioned searchable tool most user-friendly for the first 33 million users who were identified.  For the rest of you out there, wondering if your spouse is on this list of the unidentified 3 million, you can be the judge of how important this information is to your marriage.

Even today, as of September 8, 2015, the website boasts now 40,770 users, (increased by roughly 4,000 since the hack), and brags of “100% discreet service” and has an icon reading, “Trusted Security Award.”  I guess you can’t trust everything that you read.

Happy 40th Birthday to The Texas Board of Legal Specialization!


Above-pictured are the attendees who were honored at the event: Mr. Larry Harvey Schwartz of Schwartz & Earp in El Paso, Mr. Donn C. Fullenweider of Fullenweider Wilhite in Houston, Mr. David Greenfield from Austin, Mr. John F. Nichols of Nichols Law in Houston, Mr. Curtis Marvin Loveless from Denton, Mr. Philip C. Friday, Jr. of Friday, Milner, Lambert & Turner from Austin, Mr. Charles H. Robertson of Charles H Robertson, Inc. from Dallas, Mr. Herbert Lee Hooks of The Hooks Firm in Dallas, Mr. William R. Neil W.R. ( BILL ) of NEIL & ASSOC. from Dallas Mr. Harry Lee Tindall Tindall England PC Houston Mr. L. A. (al) Greene, Jr. Zapata Judge Robert J. Kern Senior Judge Houston/Sugar Land

This year on August 5th, at the TAFLS dinner at Advanced Family Law 2015 Texas Bar CLE Course in San Antonio, the Texas Association of  Family Law Specialists gathered to commemorate 40 years of board certification for family lawyers.  What type of birthday present did the lawyers who have been continuously board certified in family law since 1975 get? 25 elite attorneys received free registration at the 2015 Advanced Family Course, State Bar of Texas CLE and special recognition at a reception.  So, the reward for being excellent and accomplished:more education.

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Pictured above, Gary McNeil, Executive Director of Texas Board of Legal Specialization on the left and on the right,Rick Robertson, President of Texas Academy of Family Law Specialists.

Executive Director of the Texas Board of Legal Specialization

I spoke with Gary McNeil, Executive Director of the Texas Board of Legal Specialization, about the history and purpose of family law specialization.  In 1975, the board certification in family law commenced alongside criminal law and labor law.  Mr. McNeil shared that the purpose of board certification is to, “acquire expertise in a specific area and to have recognized, objective criteria for excellence in this area.”  McNeil articulated that, “the net effect of board certification is dual: to provide clients with additional marketing information to inform their choice of attorney, and to honor the cream of the crop in family law.” Mr. McNeil had this message for the accomplishment of the 25 elite lawyers who were honored at this year’s event: “Thank you for being trail blazers, pathfinders and leaders.  You have done so much for our profession.”

If you are a family attorney who has been practicing more than five years, and focusing at 35% of your practice on family law cases in the past 3 years, and you meet the extensive criteria set forth in, you should consider being part of the cadre of excellence. To watch video interviews about those honored this year, tune in to in the next few weeks. The upcoming family law specialization exam is October 19, 2015, and the application period is currently sealed.  Those who wish to apply for next year, should submit applications in early 2016.

Parental Alienation: Who Puts Kids in Jail for Not Seeing their Dad?

On July 10, 2015, Detroit’s Judge Gorcyca, found three siblings in contempt of court and sent them to a juvenile detention center/sleep-away camp in Oakland County, for “failing to maintain a healthy relationship with their father.” The reason: the 15, 10,and 9 year-old siblings refused to have lunch- much less any contact with their father at all- for the seven months prior.

According to court transcripts, Judge Gorcyca admonished the children, “You’re so mentally messed up right now, and it’s not because of your father… In fact, he has moved mountains to become a part of this family.”

Judge Gorcyca draws parallels between the children’s abnormal enmeshment with mom and outward disrespect to law enforcement to the cult-like behavior Charles Manson’s followers.   She ordered that the children be separated from one another within the quarters of the juvenile detention facility, arguably to take away the power of this toxic sibling set.  Likewise, mom, Maya Eibschitz-Tsimhoni, and her family are prohibited from contact while the children are in custody.

Is this too extreme of a measure? “This is really a draconian remedy,” CBS News legal expert Rikki Klieman said Friday on “CBS This Morning.” “This gives new meaning to the phrases ‘scared straight’ or ‘tough love.'”

However, Judge Gorcyca justified her actions: “While the court’s actions might seem extreme, so is the notion that these children are being taught that the only way to love the mother is to vilify the father.” She underscored the idea of parental alienation by stating “that in the past five years, the court has received no evidence that the father has done anything to negatively impact the children.”

Either way, this case decidedly marks a distinct case of parental alienation.  The 2010 contentious divorce turned saga of strained parent-child relationship lasting five years later, is not only sad but too common.  While finding blame helps some rationalize behavior, we should be looking for solutions instead.

A non-profit called Overcoming Barriers (OCB) marks this seminal case as a call to action to resolve the failure to treat alienation within the adversarial system.  Dr. Matt Sullivan, co-founder of OCB commented on this tragic story:“While each family member plays some part in the overall dynamic, the child is never to blame and should never be the subject of punitive action by the court system under the guise of protecting or promoting the child’s welfare. To do so is to blame the victim, just as when individuals are victimized by domestic or sexual violence.” Dr. Sullivan, asserted that,”the child’s behavior is symptomatic of the system’s failure.”

There is no simple answer.  Is the two-week respite from mom going to repair five years’ worth of damage? Probably not.  However, this judge is sending a message that we cannot allow parents to act as puppeteers- controlling their children.

Kids Say the Funniest Things: Divorce Speak from the Mouths of Babes

If you thought your ex spouse had the ability to defrock you in one sentence or to befuddle you with a single word, you probably already know that children can do the same.  Children are pure, unfettered, innocent creatures that tell it like it is.  And sometimes we don’t fully appreciate what they tell us.

When my ex-husband and I told our girls, ages 6 and 9, about our imminent split, they rapid-fire questioned us.  Despite my career of training as a divorce lawyer, these were some of the hardest cross-examination questions that I could have imagined:

  1. Are we still a family? (they started easy at least)
  2. “Is Dad going to be more like an uncle now?”
  3. “When are we getting a stepmom or stepdad?”
  4. From my six year-old, with a disgusted look on her face: “Are you now EX’s?”
  5. “Why did this have to happen?”
  6. “If this is a good choice, then why are you sad?”
  7. “Do we have to choose which parent we like better?”
  8. This zinger directed at me, “I thought divorce lawyers are NOT allowed to get divorced!”
  9. “Can we call/see you both whenever we want?”
  10. “Is this going to last forever?”

While there are no perfect answers to these questions, these ten questions spoken from the mouths of babes, grant insight into the worries of children after learning that their parents are getting divorced and separated.    For the record, my ex-husband and I followed a strict script of how to approach discussing divorce with your children from a preeminent family lawyer, Gay Cox and an amazing Ph.D. who works with divorcing families and children on a daily basis, Dr. Honey Sheff. (called “Tips for Parents Engaged in the Collaborative Family Law Process.” Even if you are not divorcing in a collaborative fashion, an artful, well-scripted discussion with your children is an essential tool for your family

Childhood should be free from worry. Especially during divorce.







so that they can start to grieve and eventually gain closure.

The following is a list of bullet points that I have summarized from the above-mentioned 16-page article about sending the right signs and signals in communicating to your children about a divorce in a healthy way:

  1. Avoid blaming the other parent.
  2. Emphasize and work to show the children that everything will remain the same, stable life during and after divorce.
  3. Show love and empathy to the children.  Answer their questions.
  4. Assure the children that both parents will always love them and be there for them.
  5. Contrast the love between Mom and Dad from the love of sisters, friends, other family. (Mom and Dad love is romantic and could end; Mother-child or Father-child love will never end).
  6. Avoid having difficult arguments in front of the children to minimize conflict.
  7. Encourage your children to have a positive and healthy relationship with the other parent.
  8. Do not involve your children in parental decision-making.
  9. Be consistent with disciplining your children so that they cannot manipulate the parents.
  10. Let kids be kids: do not put them “in the middle” or make your child a messenger.
  11. Be a positive role model- the kids are always watching and mimicking our behaviors.
  12. Maintain flexibility, even if it hurts.
  13. Always choose your children’s needs above your own.
  14. Remember that the only consistent thing in divorce is change: bend with the change.
  15. Finally, just remember that childhood is precious and as a parent you are the keeper of memories and guardian of you little one. Let’s preserve our kids’ child-like hearts forever.
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Tamsen Fadal’s, THE NEW SINGLE: Post- Divorce Manual for Recovery

In her book, The New Single, Tamsen Fadal is gorgeous, successful and of all things- a professional matchmaker and award-winning journalist, who is getting divorced.  She explains the embarrassment,  the feeling of failure, and the fear of being alone in New York City during her divorce.  In her post-divorce recovery manual, Ms. Fadal encompasses subjects ranging from guides on your new wardrobe, your new diet, and how to fall in love with yourself before the next man in your life.

While her antidote to divorce is glossy and simplified, there is no room in her world for “woe-is-me” victimhood or time to cry in fetal position.  Instead, she lays out a practical path to recovery. In this non-judgmental formula for change, our author gives the loving nudge or kick in the pants that you may need to end the wallowing.

Fadal tells her reader how to survive the split-up and to start over, 90-days at a time.  Our divorce diva, as author and trusted friend, tells the New Single to embrace who you are today and to radiate confidence.  Translation: “be yourself” and “fake it til ya make it.”  Self-care is a theme as well.  If you don’t have your health, a career, and financial freedom, what do you have? Her advice is chopped up into small, literary soundbites for easy digestion.  She includes checklists, quotes from trusted experts, and chapters that explain how to discern “Mr. Right from Mr. Right Now.”

The New Single quotes her father, “It is better to be alone than lonely with someone.”  These words of wisdom and truth that only can be uttered by a woman who has conquered the state of existing in both worlds and finding that being alone is preferable until you fully heal.

5 Suprising Lessons I Learned from My Own Divorce

  1. Timing is everything.

In my former, married life, as a divorce attorney, I never quite understood why clients were obsessive that their divorce pleadings filed as soon as possible.  The process seemed artificially accelerated upon the client’s decision at consultation. Usually, clients admitted when I met them that the Titanic had been sinking for a long time. So why the sudden urgency?

When you realize that your body is on fire, the only option is to jump into a pool of water.  Once you make that decision to put out the fire, you feel it to your core and want to begin to rebuild your life.  Filing for DSC_2988-14divorce is that first step.  So, today when clients ask for me to file an Original Petition for Divorce “stat,” I know that even hours can make the difference.

  1. Divorce is not for the weak of heart-even when kids are not involved.

Divisions of assets are highly emotionally charged.  The balance sheets, or the Inventory and Appraisement, all provide symbolism for the clients.  While these Excel spreadsheets are black and white numbers, they tell a story of how there was a power imbalance throughout the marriage, a lack of respect between spouses, hidden or deceptive spending; or simply a general lack of trust. Every dollar counts, and almost counts as double if insult is added to injury.

If divorce were exclusively transactional in nature, finalizing it would be a matter of plugging in numbers and deciding on a percentage for the division of assets.  However, as humans, our tit-for-tat relationship score keeping bleeds over into division of the community estate.  The true question is the point of diminishing returns: do you really want to spend $1000 to chase down $100? Answer: how angry are you?

  1. Being a demanding, needy client is perfectly acceptable.

When I first meet clients in my office and rhetorically ask how they are doing, they smirk, and say, “well I’m here.”  Here is a place where you am signing a retainer agreement to end your marriage. I know that the couch in my office is typically not where I deliver the manifesto of hearts and sunshine.  In fact, I must remind clients that they pay me to tell them the truth, to be realistic and to offer them a continuum of good, firm strategies to achieve their goals.

Regardless, the truth can be frightening and hard to digest.  Today, I don’t see how a divorce client can be anything but demanding and needy during this process.  With one’s self confidence shot, depression ensuing, and a general belief that your reality is crumbling, clients need a lot of support- both emotional and legal.  They need a quick response time to calls, emails and updates, especially during a journey when some family and friends are at a loss as to how to help their struggling friend.   I like clients to understand I am here for them, and that my job is to walk them through this difficult journey in the legal sense.  A good counseling referral always helps too.

  1. Temporary insanity is a symptom of divorce.

Albert Einstein said, “Life is like a bicycle.  To keep your balance, you must keep moving.”  In the process of divorce, we emotionally stop moving forward, and get stuck in the past.  Sadly, the past is not a productive place to be.  It makes us crazy and causes behaviors that may be out of character.  The failure to keep moving and progressing forward, exposes us to a process of degeneration.

Now, I forgive the emotionally charged thirty-minute conversations with clients about how big of a @##@# (expletive) the other spouse is. I understand that sometimes (even though not condoned), my client feels compelled to Facebook stalk their former mate, instigate fights by draining the accounts, or sleep around within days of finalizing their divorce.  As family lawyers, we are taught that divorce clients are “good people on their worst day,” while criminal clients are “bad people on their best day.”  Short of doling out Xanax and antidepressants, (which my credentials strictly prohibit), my job is to help rein in the crazy. I am charged with the task of  helping clients understand that this temporary insanity is not who they are- just a moment in time which will pass…only if they keep moving.

  1. Revenge is irrational but natural.

You have been irreparably harmed.  Your hurt, anger and rage regardless of who may be assigned blame in the breakup of the marriage, is valid.  I have heard clients utter the phrase, “I will spend every last dollar tearing her down.” This illustrates a process where destruction of the other seems almost more appealing than moving on.  

“If you spend your time hoping someone will suffer the consequences for what they did to your heart, then you’re allowing them to hurt you a second time in your mind.”  Shannon L. Alder
Don’t fall prey to getting even because while natural to want revenge, it is irrational to believe that it will ever bring you one ounce of satisfaction.roadsign-flickr-punknomad

5 Reasons Why There are No Winners In Divorce

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No one can declare victory in divorce. One party may get more custody or more money, but nobody wins.

  1. You once had something whole, and now it is divided. Whether that is half of your 401k or half of your children’s time, you no longer have the whole thing. Just like toddlers, we don’t like to share our things, especially when we are now divorced.
  2. Your investment is now worthless. Time, energy, vulnerability, and love for any marriage take work. Your payoff in divorce is disentangling your time, energy, vulnerability, and love from your former mate. This occurs without producing dividends on this investment we call marriage.
  3. Divorce is a gift that keeps on giving. The fight isn’t over. It has just has mutated from a 1-year litigation battle, to a lifetime of rehashing old wounds. The aftermath of divorce is like a lifetime of heartburn after eating a chili dog chased with a martini every morning.
  4. The nature of compromise dictates that winning is a state of mind. Judges and mediators are human. They work to craft the best solution, but this “solution” doesn’t take into account a points system in which parties win.
  5. Everybody hurts after the battle. Your mutual “friends” are confused about which “side” to take. Your children are worried about the tug-of-war for love, post-divorce. Even your dog looks askance, wondering who will fill her bowl. Your web of loved ones hurt with you and because of you. Divorce makes boundaries sketchy and old, secure relationships tenuous. How could that be a win?

I’m not suggesting that just because you can’t “win” divorce, you should not partake. I am trying to remind those contemplating divorce (and those who have freshly finished that marathon) that if you feel like you haven’t won, there are plenty of good reasons for that feeling.

Instead of focusing on the win, focus on the changes that you can make to win in your personal life. You can win back you- your self-esteem, your health, and your sense of peace.

Natalie Gregg
The Law Office of Natalie Gregg
(972) 829 – 3923

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Natalie Gregg on Cover of Texas Super Lawyers

We are proud to announce that our managing partner, Natalie Gregg, was recently profiled in Texas Super Lawyers. The cover article, “Hopeless Romantic,” is cited below.

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Natalie Gregg likes tidy endings. Sure, divorce is a messy process, but her goal is a harmonious settlement that encourages positive co-parenting.

Still, part of the Allen family law attorney’s job is to give her clients a reality check.

“I tell people that divorce is a death,” she says. “It’s the death of a portion of your life. That’s when they stop and cry. But I want them to acknowledge that it’s not just tonsillitis. I have to change my Kleenex box every day.”

Gregg’s clients—or their stay-at-home spouses—are mostly highly educated professionals with large estates who are typically in their first marriages. Her most lucrative clients are Collin County millionaires: doctors, dentists, engineers and corporate executives. In addition to couples who simply fell out of love, there are white-collar career types with serial-cheating spouses, and others who’ve endured years of emotional abuse. Some come to her in a delicate state, outlining their situations and asking, “I should get divorced, right?”

Unless abuse or crime is involved, Gregg won’t try to make that decision. Her role is to listen and help her clients meet their goals. “I cannot choose for you,” she says. “I will not walk for you. I can’t be in your shoes. But just like a doctor, if somebody’s not going to take the antibiotic, you can’t do anything for them.”

Once the client decides, Gregg puts her formidable energies into trying to resolve things long before the case ends up in a courtroom.

“She keeps her eye on the ball, and she’s reasonable,” says family lawyer Ike Vanden Eykel, CEO of KoonsFuller in Dallas, whose firm contends with Gregg on a monthly basis. “Some people make unreasonable demands at all times, and those are lawyers you can dismiss pretty quickly—but that’s not the case here. She’s very able to reach accords. We don’t have the big fights I can tell you about because we’re able to work together and get things done.”

But she’s also tough. On a recent day in a downtown Dallas courtroom, Gregg, wavy jet-black hair pulled back in a ponytail, politely but forcefully digs in her heels as she and opposing counsel approach the bench. “They’re trying to make it all about money and child support,” she tells the judge. In the meantime, her client’s main concern is a troubled daughter with falling grades, who has cut off contact with her mom, and who has been missing college-prep tutoring sessions while staying with her wealthy father. Just yesterday afternoon, the girl’s mother learned that her daughter had just started seeing a new counselor and taking medication—without the mom’s input. “There’s no co-parenting going on here,” Gregg says.

The judge grants Gregg’s motion for a hearing continuance to process the new information and strategize. Later, outside the courtroom, Gregg meets with her client, pleased with the result. “We got what we wanted,” she says.

Jessica Perroni, Gregg’s senior associate, chimes in: “She did good.”

Asked whether Gregg’s lawyering style is more forceful or restrained, Ken Koonce, her former boss, chuckles.

“I would definitely put her more on the aggressive end of the scale,” says Koonce, who hired Gregg at a Dallas nonprofit legal-aid center about 10 years ago. “But she’s always courteous. She’s matter-of-fact, like: ‘This is what we want, and this is why we think we’re going to get it.’ She just addresses issues head-on, and she doesn’t mince words.”

There’s a softer side to Gregg, too. Over lunch, she exclaims over pictures of her recently acquired bichon frise, which she’s named Tinkerbell. The dog was a gift for her 37th birthday. In law school, she had another bichon, named Bella. She also has a penchant for happy endings. “I love Disney movies and romantic comedies and anything that ends well,” says Gregg. “I’m a hopeless romantic trapped in a divorce lawyer’s body.” In law school, comparisons were made to a popular movie. “People said, ‘You’re like a brunette Legally Blonde,’” she says.

That preference for happy endings may be why she gravitated toward collaborative law, in which divorcing spouses agree to settle matters privately, away from the courtroom. While it’s not for everyone, Gregg believes couples who utilize the process generally spend less money and achieve better results and co-parenting situations.

Going to court isn’t always what people expect. “There are so many terrible consequences,” Gregg says. “They’re like, ‘I want my day in court.’ I say, ‘What does that mean to you? It’s not going to be pretty. It’s going to be he-said, she-said. You know, it’s not going to be Law & Order; it’s not going to be Matlock.’”

Clients who choose the collaborative process can make decisions for themselves. “There are no constraints,” Gregg says. “It’s as extensive or as confined as their imaginations.”

Collaborative divorce is a team approach, involving mental-health and financial professionals. The disadvantage is that, if clients ultimately decide to pursue litigation, they are required to hire new lawyers. “I’ve gained confidential information in a protective setting,” she explains. “That would give me undue advantage.”

Gregg, who was honored by the National Academy of Family Law Attorneys in 2014 as one of Texas’ top 10 family lawyers under 40, blogs for sites including StackStreet and The Huffington Post on issues ranging from technology’s effect on married relationships to who should get the wedding rings in a divorce (usually the person whose finger they were on).

Born in Honolulu to a military doctor dad and homemaker mom with a master’s degree in humanities—“she cooked like a rock star,” Gregg says—she grew up in Dallas and attended Catholic schools all the way through high school. Accepted to Brown, she instead opted for San Antonio’s Trinity University to be closer to her boyfriend, now husband, Jeremy Gregg, before transferring to Dallas’ Southern Methodist University. She graduated magna cum laude in 2000.

Gregg thought about taking a break before law school, but her dad, who had a modest upbringing and graduated at the top of his medical class at Northwestern, had other ideas. “He said, ‘If you really want to do it, you’re going to do it now,’” Gregg says. And then he cut up her credit cards.

She worked her way through SMU’s Dedman School of Law as a tutor, hostess and law clerk, including working full time at a firm during her final year. Her first job out of school was with a firm focused on medical malpractice defense. She felt unfulfilled. “I was always the most hated person in the room,” she says.

Meanwhile, she’d been volunteering at a church-run legal clinic in Dallas. “All our intake was family law,” she says. “Spouses doing crazy things. People needed help. I was fascinated. I thought, this is what I should be doing.”

A year later, she did just that, taking a job with the legal services arm of nonprofit Central Dallas Ministries—now CitySquare—and trading a 64th-floor office for a desk with an outdated PC and all the family-law cases she could handle. The program offered free and low-cost legal aid to the needy; Gregg became one of just a few attorneys working for director Koonce.

“My first day there I asked, ‘Where’s the guy who does my faxes?’” she recalls. “And they said, ‘That would be you.’ ‘Where’s the guy who does the mailing?’ And they said, ‘That would be you.’ … I didn’t realize how different it was.” When her dad told her, “You’re doing God’s work,” she quipped, “Yes, but does God pay?”

But she felt like she was making a difference. And suddenly, instead of feeling micromanaged, she had a boss who didn’t meddle. “Ken let me grow,” Gregg says. Though she recalls struggling at first in the short-handed environment, Koonce says she thrived, grasping issues more clearly and exercising better judgment than most lawyers with her limited experience.

In 2009, Gregg went out on her own, initially borrowing space in a friend’s office above a Papa John’s; two months later she rented an office from another lawyer. “I always thought I’d do it when I turned 40,” she says. “My husband said, ‘Why are you waiting?’ We had just gone through a really bad recession. But my husband says divorce is recession-proof, which is true.”

Asked if starting her own practice was scary, she says she was a little worried going into it. But once she opened her doors, she says, “I was so busy, I never had time to look up and worry about it.”

By 2010, Gregg was ready to claim her own territory. She set up shop north of Dallas in Allen, which—in addition to being near her parents—was one of North Texas’ fastest growing communities. Since then, she’s taken on three associates, two paralegals, a law clerk and a receptionist.

Gregg has a favorite saying from the late Judge R. Lewis Nicholson: “You can love your kids or hate your spouse, but you can’t do both.” Nicholson, a Dallas County family court judge known for his “bah, humbug” disposition, “was the most unfuzzy guy you could ever meet,” Gregg says. “He was one of my favorites because he really cared and was just incredibly smart about the law. He had this knowledge that he would distill into these little sound bites.” She recalls the day when circumstances required that she get a temporary restraining order signed for a client and she had to bring her 6-month-old daughter to the courtroom, discreetly pocketed in a papoose beneath her blazer. “He called me on it,” she says. “He said, ‘Ms. Gregg, is that a baby in your jacket?’” He let her stay.

Marriage is hard, Gregg reflects. Sometimes, busy couples let happiness take a backseat to maintaining a routine for the sake of the kids. But that may not be the best thing for anyone. Looking out for kids is a driving force for Gregg, whose brochure pictures a preschooler holding a bouquet. Gregg says she has reduced pro-athlete clients to tears by telling them, “I know you hate [your wife] right now, but she gave you the most beautiful gift in your life.”


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